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Ok, I'll take the bait. Done right there is no torment. My 1/2 dozen cows are grass fed and have a life of blissful grazing and laying under the shade trees chewing their cud. They have one bad moment before they start the transition to the freezers of myself and my friends.

Second, the natural (and normal) world is full of predators that eat meat. Consuming other animals is one of the more normal things we do. Certainly a lot more normal than standing around typing into this phone.

I will certainly agree however that large scale meat processing needs reform in some of its practices. I won't argue that.



> Done right there is no torment. My 1/2 dozen cows are grass fed and have a life of blissful grazing and laying under the shade trees chewing their cud.

What age are they killed compared to their natural lifespan? How do you kill them without causing any fear or pain? Do you dehorn, castrate or brand them? With anaesthesia? Do you keep mothers with their children?

I'm sure their situation is better than industrial farms but this shouldn't be the baseline to compete with.

> Second, the natural (and normal) world is full of predators that eat meat. Consuming other animals is one of the more normal things we do. Certainly a lot more normal than standing around typing into this phone.

You could justify murder and robbery with this so this isn't a good yardstick of how humans should act.




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