We disagree, but that's our individual prerogative. I don't contend with the idea that one must kowtow to authorities on the basis of a single message thread - you only know of the competencies of saagarjha by stint of having interacted with them for years - it is entirely unreasonable to require others to have that same understanding, when literally nothing in this forum promotes any means by which to gain that understanding other than to follow individuals for years.
If ssagarjha had prefaced their statements with "I'm an XXX dev with YYY years of experience on this subject, and my conclusion is .." then you'd have a point. But there was no such introduction - and thus it is absolutely unreasonable to expect other contributors to the thread to understand the prowess of the person whose opinions they are challenging.
>"punishment"
.. seems to be limited to having to deal with other, random strangers on the Internet, and whose competence you are yet to divulge from limited interactions...
> bureaucratic mess
All developer incompetence is bureaucratic mess, there is no other form of it. We are bureaucrats, not artists. Not even Apple can escape this fact, as we can see time and again with their low-effort, poor quality releases lately ..
> .. seems to be limited to having to deal with other, random strangers on the Internet, and whose competence you are yet to divulge from limited interactions...
HN does have moderators.
> Not even Apple can escape this fact, as we can see time and again with their low-effort, poor quality releases lately
I blame upper management for that, i.e., Federighi and Cook.
I mean that it is entirely our prerogative to disagree on whether one should recognize an expert, immediately upon engaging with them. There's nothing in the HN guidelines that indicate otherwise - unless your point is that one should have respect for the potential experience of everyone one encounters on HN, which is fair.
But I still contend that your position that we should all know saagarjhas' competence is entirely unreasonable. There are tens of thousands of such individuals here on HN, how are we supposed to know we're talking to the very founders of the technology we're discussing? Its unreasonable, but its your prerogative to make the statement, "don't argue with saagarjha, he's an expert", and its just as viable to see this is a "call to authority fallacy" designed to shut down honest, viable - and valuable - dialog that results from the challenge to this so-called authority.
In other words I don't think you're applying the HN guideliness effectively. Please let people challenge experts - its important to our community, after all.
>Federighi and Cook.
Never accept technical management from someone who can't do your job. This is Peter Principle, 101. Someone at Apple is dropping a lot of balls lately, and it shows in the very poor quality of their releases over the last few years. The notification system is entirely dysfunctional, on both iOS and MacOS - I would wager the bureaucrats don't actually use these tools.
Meanwhile, why and how would they know who "saagarjha"is and whether they're an expert? Are they supposed to be famous, I mean Carmack or Lattner famous no "they are known in some circles".
Even if they visit their blog, they can just see: "Hi, I'm Saagar Jha. I'm a software engineer from Cupertino, California, but I spend an inordinate amount of time in the southern part of the state" and a list of smaller projects and experiments.
We disagree, but that's our individual prerogative. I don't contend with the idea that one must kowtow to authorities on the basis of a single message thread - you only know of the competencies of saagarjha by stint of having interacted with them for years - it is entirely unreasonable to require others to have that same understanding, when literally nothing in this forum promotes any means by which to gain that understanding other than to follow individuals for years.
If ssagarjha had prefaced their statements with "I'm an XXX dev with YYY years of experience on this subject, and my conclusion is .." then you'd have a point. But there was no such introduction - and thus it is absolutely unreasonable to expect other contributors to the thread to understand the prowess of the person whose opinions they are challenging.
>"punishment"
.. seems to be limited to having to deal with other, random strangers on the Internet, and whose competence you are yet to divulge from limited interactions...
> bureaucratic mess
All developer incompetence is bureaucratic mess, there is no other form of it. We are bureaucrats, not artists. Not even Apple can escape this fact, as we can see time and again with their low-effort, poor quality releases lately ..